Brazilian jiu jitsu on street fighting?

Ok this is for the Brazilian jiu jitsu and judo fighters.





We agree that BJJ is the best to win a match in a mix martial art combat, I give you that.





But if you're in a street fight, wouldn't Judo be better than BJJ?.





Street fights are never 1v1, so a BJJ fighter would try to beat his opponent on the ground, and then his opponent's friends would kick him in the head or something, the BJJ fighter at this stage is defenseless against multiple fighters.





But if you are a JUDO fighter, you would throw the opponent to the ground while still standing, the impact could be enough to win, if not, it still gives you time to throw another of your opponent's helpers, if you do it to quick, you could throw them all one by one, since the ones thrown take time to recover, or might as well pass out or have something broken. Right?

Brazilian jiu jitsu on street fighting?
It's not a matter of BJJ or Judo fighting. It's the martial artist that fights, not the art itself. The art is lifeless. It's just a concept.





It's true that ground grappling is a big mistake in a real street fight, especially for those who love to go straight to the ground with their opponent just for the sake of doing it. I mean, yea, in the UFC and such, that stuf works, but in actual combat, that's a whole different ball game. It's crazy because you are putting yourself in jeopardy, but groundwork comes in handy if you are knocked to the ground and you have no other choice but to fight from the ground..





It's best to stay on your feet as long as you can though, regardless. It's true what they say that alot of fights end up on the ground, but what people fail to realize is that those are people who aren't fighting practically.





In a street fight, you use whatever the situation calls for. If it doesn't call for groundwork, then don't use it. If it doesn't call for throws of any kind, don't use them. It's just pure common sense.
Reply:Well I think you're living in fantasy land... if you use judo most likely when you throw them they will hold on to your clothing long enough to get the other guy over and both start kicking your butt. I think BJJ while the best when it comes to 1v1 not too practical for multiple attackers. I think kick boxing or boxing would be the best but once your on the ground 2 on 1 would be damn hard to win!
Reply:No system short of a handgun is effective against multiple attackers...
Reply:i've trained heavily in Goju Karate, and also spent a few years learning Judo and JiuJitsu, and learned select techniques from other styles from other martial artists that i've become friends with....





the one thing i've learned is that no certain style is better than any other style. there are those of us that are really suited for certain styles that come to us sooner than others, and there are the styles that take us a lot longer to get down and dont come as naturally. and on any given day, any student of any style can beat any other student of any style. its not the style that wins, its the individual.





yes, there are certain styles that are designed to fight in certain situations, but you just plain never know what's going to happen or who's going to win. i've seen grapplers take down strikers faster than i thought possible, and i've seen strikers take out a grappler with one good hit.





the instructor i learned Jiu Jitsu from used to train us to fight more than one person at a time and it didnt matter how they came at him, he kept circling around the downed opponent and latched on the new attackers, he took them down and didnt break a sweat. i never got that technique down as good as he does it.... still trying though. the teacher i learned Judo from (who's a good friend of mine now that i'm an adult) did just that as well, and his favorite technique was to toss one attacker towards another then move towards a new attacker and continue.





now, if those two spar, i'd say that neither one has an advantage over the other due to their style, they're both amazing at what they do, and great teachers on top of it. and who knows, my Goju Sensei would be really hard to grab on to and with a well placed strike or two would stand a real good chance at taking out a grappler as well... you just never know. any outcome can happen on any day.
Reply:"it's not the size of the warrior in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the warrior"


all depends on too many conditions to call in a real fight.


My personal opinion is that Judo often lacks the realism for a real fight (very few teachers still teach the effective way) BJJ is a lot more crude but very effective if properly applied.


As to fighting multiple opponents: both arts are strictly 1 on 1. Fighting multiple opponents requires a lot more factors than one on one fighting (strategy,...)There are much better arts out there to work with multiple opponents.
Reply:Honestly, in a streetfight where you are outnumbered, nine times out of ten you are going down.





But, my belief is your best defence in this situation is to strike out the best way you can against one guy and then just take on the rest the best you can.





Perhaps, they will hesitate when they realise you aren't going to cower or run and that gives you your shot.





But - don't count on it. If you are being rushed by a few - Judo really isn't going to be all that great either!
Reply:ok everybody its time to face facts whether grappling OR STRIKING you vs multiple opponents = YOU LOSE. no martial art can teach you to effectively deal with multiple opponents. seriously think about what people are saying, you can't beat one little brazilian man with your striking, but suddenly when it becomes 10 little brazillian men you can? huh?


movies are movies not reality. one of the biggest problems with martial arts is that people go and watch movies and think thats real.... its crap. movie fu looks pretty but is WORTHLESS in a real fight.


and no of course bjj won't work in a real fight, i mean hell it was developed in/for people in brazil of all places, which only has one of the WORST CRIME RATES IN THE WORLD, and has been used effectively there. in fact recently someone tried to outlaw bjj in brazil because gang members where learning it and using it to beat the crap out people
Reply:"Streetfights are never one on one"? What the? Alot of you people worry me. Where are you living that you are always getting in fights with more than one person?





In my experience that only happens with gangs or people who run their mouths.





In any event, I recommend Gracie Jiu Jitsu over traditional BJJ (Helio Gracie reinvented BJJ for small framed students who lacked strength that BJJ needs). Judo isn't as good as Jiu Jitsu, and it requires you to have to work to get into position to do a good body slam.





Where as with GJJ or BJJ all you have to do is wait for the fight to go to the ground.





Just a word to the wise. Even if it is one on one people aren't just going to stand around and watch some guy get choked into unconsciousness or get his arm broken from an armbar.





A few good judo throws and jiu jitsu moves making him cry uncle would probably make you a legend and give you a few girlfriends.
Reply:Well, I have a tendency for long windedness but I will break this down.





First off Da Funk nailed it, beating more than one person requires a large amount of luck, and most likely it is doing enough for you to get away, not leave crumpled bodies on the ground.





Second off, let's talk about "street" fighting.





Many Martial Artist like to say they are preparing you for the street. But in reality as an adult male the chance of you getting in any street fight is slim to none. Sure you may come across a drunk, or you yourself get drunk, sure some rare occassion may happen. But more than likely you can talk your way out of it, or at the very least you are defending from someone who is inebriated, or drugged out, or just a damn psycho.





Multiple opponents are not a definate in street fights, more than likely it will be one on one. The times that there are multiple opponents generally you are unaware of them anyway, whether you are standing, on the ground, etc. It doesn't matter, they are attacking your back and furthermore waiting for you to be occupied before even attempting to move in (because they are cowards).





Next: Judo, Bjj, groundfighting. I am not sure if just the vast majority of Karate, TKD, guys or the average Martial Art noob is totally unaware of this, but you can apply chokes, armbars, and jointlocks from standing positions. My preferred technique is rear naked choking individuals while they are standing. By constantly walking backwards and dragging them, they get no leverage and are out in about 8 seconds.





I have kimura'd, hiza gatame, overunder choke, Guillotined, shoulder locked people all whilst never having to hit the ground. Similarly, most BJJ guys are going to jump into guard, they are going to control the takedown and be in a dominant position. Myself I have thrown guys, and gone straight to knee on the belly. Fully aware of my surroundings, able to survey everything around, and painfully controlling the person below me.





Here is an example by a guy who know talking about his last streetfighting experience.





http://www.dragonslist.com/discussion/mm...





Personally, I think that actually street fighting is rare and generally avoidable. Anyone one on one scenario with training you should be able to do ok. Any multiple scenario requires more than just skill, but a large amount of luck and total dumb@ssedry on your attackers part.





Just my opinion.





I think either one can be good in a street fight, because contrary to popular believe both arts have standing chokes and joint locks. Judo does however allow dynamic, painful, injury causing throws which are very handy.
Reply:The trick to fighting multiple opponents is to stay mobile and to have a plan. Sidestep to the outside of one guy and use him to be a temporary shield, instead of going in between the two guys. I am also a big fan of throwing one attacker into the other. (its fun and smart) Punch, kick, knee and throw till they stop coming, but keep moving around. Also, try to avoid just a basic circling pattern. Avoid any pattern. If they can't get a line on your direction, you are that much harder to hit.


Good footwork is the key to staying mobile and hitting on the move. Train scenarios with classmates. Use technique from any style you know that will give you a tactical edge over two or three attackers. Better to find out what works and what doesn't in the training hall.

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