What's BJJ's major weakness for street fighting??

NO martial art is perfect or 100% bullet proof! However what do you feel BJJ lacks. I take BJJ along with other martial arts and it has it's benefits! However I have noticed one major weakness.





BJJ take downs are weak compared to Judo, Greco-Roman wrestling and Free Style wrestling! Also BJJ spends most of it's time on the back. A attacker on top with decent punching ability can do a "pound IN ground" on the BJJ fighter. Plus if there were two attackers FORGET IT! The BJJ fighter would be done. Agree or Disagree????

What's BJJ's major weakness for street fighting??
3 main weaknesses





First, its assuming you are fighting 1 on 1. with multiple attackers its a bad idea to grapple 1 and go to the ground. His 2 friends are going to beat your skull in. At least in a stand up fight you can manuver and have a chance to fight them more 1 on 1.





Second, its also assuming that the opponent is not a bio hazard of disease and that its a good idea to touch him and stick you head near him.. blood borne diseases anyone? nothing like fighting with a guy that bites and you don't wrestle on the ground without scrapes... Just lots of ways that you could get stuff.





Third, the size and strenght of your opponent makes a big difference if you are attaching yourself to his body mass.





Judo / akido uses the opponents mass better in most instances and the striking arts have less impact on the size of the person you fight.





BJJ just wanting to wrap people up is great for 1 on 1 nonlethal combat with people that are clean. The origin's of that art however had a ton of weapon stuff and strikes in it but it all has been changed and BJJ is great for ring fights.





You want a system that focuses on multiple attackers? take Kenpo
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Reply:You are right. Well, what BJJ might lack is sobriety isn asserting a life threatening situation? I think a good martial art shouldn't teach you just fighting. It should also teach you when not to, right? Although i know very slightly about BJJ, considering that it is used mostly in the mixed arena, i think the above might be one of the pitfalls.
Reply:someone who bites, and head butts.
Reply:Also for street fighting, if your fighting on the groud your quite vaunrable to hits from others. while your trying to choke someone up, someone might be kicking the **** out of you who is standing up.
Reply:1- no, no martial art is effective and none except kevlar fu is bullet proof.





2- bjj that is seen in sports is not the entire system. there are techniques not typically used in sportative forums that are still part of the system.





3- no argument on the comparison of takedown ability between a bjj and the "wrestling 3". judo- it depends how you train. same with wresling styles- however, like when I talk about other arts, it is important to remember that we are still talking on AVERAGES not hard and fast rules.





4- no, bjj does not spend most of its time on its back, someone doesn't "pull guard" as a technique in combat.


Bjj does a significant amount of stand up grappling as well, thus in the event that one finds themselve on the str33t where there are land mines, boiling lava and broken glass everywhere, as well as the third rail of a subway, they won't need to worry about not being able to fight.





5- multiple attackers provides problems for any unarmed martial artist. Why is bjj any different. Do you really believe that a boxer would stand any better chance if all he did was go after one guy (like you are implying)? why do you think a stand up striker would change his tactics, but a bjj guy wouldn't? Are you implying that people who take bjj have below average intelligence and are unable to think with common sense? Actually that trait seems to be more exhibited among "chi" masters and students of ashida kim.





6- The "weaknesses" of bjj, is obviously a lack of striking, which is important, and as we have seen in recent MMA, it is not the pure striker or the pure grappler that has an advantage, it is the student who trains in BOTH. Thus the striker can avoid (sprawl, not the deadly "anti-grapple") a takedown or tackle and still remain on his feet or avoid bieng tied up and enable him to get back to a position where the advantage is his.





EDIT: yes, if you are on the ground you are vulnerable to attack from others- but like most "anti-bjj" arguments this works both ways and is dependant not on what style you study, but on how many friends you have with you and how many he has. It is more likely the guy with grappling and groundfighting experience (bjj or whatever) will be in a better position if the fight goes to the ground, thus what is to stop someone from jumping in and kicking the guy in the head who is in a gnp situation while the ground grappler has the better position of mount. actually the guy getting soccer kicked in the head is in a far more dangerous position from than getting sucker punched while in the mount.
Reply:i agree with you pretty much... no martial art is bullet proof etc,but BJJ in my opinion would not be half as effective outside of a ring or controlled situation...plus street fights are very seldom 1 on 1 if ever!!


good in the ring,good techniques but not the be all and end all as the practioners think or the ufc shows ya.....


self defence is about what works for you,and how you control a situation....


for street fighting i would recommend maybe wing tsun
Reply:Seems like you answered your own question. In practical application I would never go to my back on purpose. But if you find yourself there you better know what to do
Reply:It's great for dry humping
Reply:HAHA WING STUNG....HOW FREAGIN STUPID....disagree....most of the dominate ground and pounders have great jj skills...which alow them to be dominate on the ground....no martial art is proven to work against multiple people....yeah the take downs are a little weak...they are effective but dont do damage...jj guys dont want to go to the back but they are trained to take minimal damage from their back...ive only seen 1 person get knocked out from guard...dont forget the fights u watch everyonr fighting has trained in jj.....you should go to class in your area and ask to grapple with an experienced white belt....its just total domination if you have never trained for it
Reply:I do agree that BJJ lacks severely in the stand up game. There are no strikes in BJJ and the takedowns of a pure BJJ fighter are very limited compared to Judo and amateur wrestling.
Reply:i was playing around with my gf one day and put her in an armbar and she bit my leg
Reply:I'm going to disagree on some of your points.


1)Take-down comparison- BJJ is based off of Judo and shares many of the same throws and takedowns. However, these aren't practiced in the UFC due to talent of the competition and rule restrictions.


2) Ground and Pound- Few attackers have been successful in this in recent years as BJJ practitioners are trained to fight from their back as well as other positions. Reversals are much more common in which case the pounder ends up being mounted.


3) Striking- While strikes aren't emphasized they are present in the system mostly in terms of punches and a few judo style kicks that have carried over.





I do agree with you in regards to the multiple attacker argument. Due to limited range of strikes and their application the art suffers in multiple foe encounters. Also limited standing movement training limits mobility which really hurts in a multiple foe encounter.