Friday, May 21, 2010

I've heard the BJJ is the best for a street fight. If true hows does it help you against multiple attackers?

In this day and age it is likely that a fight will have multiple attackers. I've have witness this since the 80's. I work in the schools and this is normail today. You may see anywhere from 2 to 1 all the way to 10 against 1.





Does BJJ prepare you for this? Please explain how?





Does it jut prepare you for the cage and MMA?





I do find MMA very entertaining. I also like watching boxing, judo, karate, TKD, kung fu, and WWE. I like watching many competitive activities.

I've heard the BJJ is the best for a street fight. If true hows does it help you against multiple attackers?
I've been to a few of seminars with Royler Gracie and we have an inside joke with him. Almost every time he comes to one of our schools, someone waits till the seminar is almost over then asks "So Royler, how do I defend against multiple attackers?"





To which he smiles, laughs, then says "Get a bat."
Reply:It isn't ideal for multiple attackers, and it has never been claimed to be a good route against multiple attackers.





It a straight up 1 on 1 fight, with no weapons, which is THE most common thing to happen, it is proven, and it has been caught on tape many times.





Just search youtube.
Reply:There's also some things that you would do in a Jiu Jitsu competition but never in a street fight - like pull guard!
Reply:nope, multiple attackers is a no-no





if you fight one with his friends there, be sure to stay on top incase he comes and tries to do something to you.





Every martial art has it's flaw, jiujitsu isn't perfect.
Reply:it is good for 1 on 1 but doesn't help you abit when it comes to multiple attackers. Aikido is good for multiple attackers
Reply:all the answers has same perspective.


If you attacked by more than 3 persons, the ideal way is get a tools (like bat or knife); scream for help and run; or learn a self defense system properly and keep calm outside.





BJJ is made for one on one condition. Aikido and Tae Kwon Do (both when you enter black belt or above) are more likely ready against multiple attackers. Off course you should have a very good speed and not to get panic. other martial arts like kung fu, also need speed to help you in this kind of situation.
Reply:10 on 1 is kinda bad if your a BJJ blackbelt. But really it's great 4 self defence if you use it in a street fight your not really using BJJ cause thats not why it's taught. self defence only, other than for competition, i don't see why you would use it ina fight because your on the ground alot... i got bit in a fight when i got a guy in a guillotine choke so if your bjj in a street fight watch for a eye gouge, inted of a tap out.





you don't see an gracies in the ring or octagon cause BJJ takes time to preform and to use on the ground..


Renzo Gracie said that he only has 5 mins in an octagon, thats not enough.
Reply:First let me say this. There is a differance between a street fight and self defense. A street fight is a clash of 2 ego's, and genearally takes a while to get to that stage, and 99.9% can be avoided. The other .1% that cannot be resolved peacefully is self defense.





BJJ is probably very effective in a street fight where your goal is to win. Generally if 2 guy's go at it like this it will be one on one. The crowd don't like interferance. If they do then the BJJ guy is probably screwed.





The main goal in SELF DEFENSE is to survive, period. Most self defense happens because your assailant(s) wants something from you, generally your money or valubles, or other things in the case of females. The last thing you want in these situations is to be on the ground fighting. Somebody attacking you for your valubles is more likely to have a weapon, with the knife probably being the weapon of choice. Do you want to be on the ground trying to lock in a triangle when the femoral artery is open to him?





The goal of self defense is survival, pure and simple. I will actually give up my car, wallett etc. in a heartbeat, and this is all most criminals are interested in. He is not going to hang around to fight with you, he wants it quick and clean.





I know that BJJ claims it teaches stand up, but I have never seen a good example of it. I remember Royce Gracie in the first UFC and his stand up(what little I saw) was laughable. I say this as a person who has trained for 18 years, and seen many different people and styles. Even Royce admitted that he was training Muya Thai before his fight with Hughes.





Being primarily a stand up fighter does not mean that I am not at a disadvantage against multiple people, just as any striker would be. We do train against this in my school though, because we focus on SELF DEFENSE, not fighting. We learn to disengage and get out of dodge at the first oppurtunity, it is after all survival.





To the guy that has the inside joke with one of the Gracies. I too would love a baseball bat against multiple attackers, however it is not normally something I carry around. As for the lady that said you don't pull guard on the street, how you train is how you will fight, garunteed. I also see a dis-preportionant number of BJJ people on here talking about using it in a street fight, or multiple street fights. Strange that in 18 years I have only had to use my Martial Arts physicly only once, and that was choking out a guy who was assaulting a lady. Could it be that some people are not taught that it is only for self defense as stated in the previous answer.





I think in a 1 on 1 street fight BJJ would be very good, I just wouldn't want it to be the only thing I knew, just in case. I have started trainign against a couple of local wrestler's on sprawling and also started to work some nasty ground stuff, in case it does go there, because it is another range, but I wouldn't want it to be the only thing I relied on. In our school we train and prepare for worst case scenarios, hoping we will never need it. I after all want to survive to go home to my family.





AS FOR THE BAT THING-I am sure that the person that attacks or mugs you is going to make an appointment and tell you to bring your bat. Get real and realize that unless you carry a weapon all the time, you will have only yourself and whatever you might pick up to rely on, and if you pick something up, if you don't know how to use it it will be useless.
Reply:I have not trained in BJJ but from what I have seen and heard it is extremely hard to defeat when there is a one on one contest. But if there is more then 1 assailant then it look like you would be at a more of a disadvantage then that of a striking or upright Art, like Brian said (good answer by the way) if there is more then one attacker get a bat.





I to like to watch MMA and the other Arts that compete because it allows me to watch other Martial Arts and people who have mastered them compete. It also allowed me to judge how my Arts that I have learnt stake up in the areas that the competition judges. But I find it hard to judge BJJ because it is very alien to what I know because most of the strength of the Art is based on the floor. Because of this it must prepare you well for UFC tournaments as that is a one on one fight.





That said I find BJJ a very effective art in one on one encounters but I find it wanting against multiple attackers.
Reply:My view is this, Bjj is great (at what it is great at) mult. attacks isn't one of the "great" things about it. I train bjj and mma and love it but I will say, for me, it is not "perfect" there is no such thing as an all perfect system, unless you design it for yourself. What I mean is this, No one art covers everything you need that is designed for you. Even if there was a "perfect" art out there, which there isn't, it would be perfect for the one who created it, not for your or I. The only way you are going to find the perfect art for you is if you develop it for yourself. First you need to learn from many arts, not jsut one. Then adapt those skills to fit you, your body movements and way you do things. Then after all those many, many years you'll have found an art that is "perfect" for you. Now that you have that you then must perfect (as best you can) that style, which takes many, many more years. BJJ is great, for me, as a one on one. I've done ground with three on one and did o.k., but it was training (even though they were trying to take my head off) but I had them all on the ground. If one had been able to get up I would have been in a world of hurt. Again, the more you have the better it could get because if you get one, two or even three on the ground any others standing will most likly hit and kick there buddy while trying to get at you, that may help as well. As far as MMA, I think BJJ is a MUST.
Reply:If you are really worried about being attacked by multiple attackers I wouldn't study BJJ but focus more on kav magaw. Just about every movie is a combo that is followed with a shot to the groin or the eye. If you're on the low side of a 2, 3, 5, or 10 on 1, there are no cheap shots.
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